so i'm not sure i agree with the first statement. secondly, going back here, i think that joe biden, no question, being from pennsylvania, being from the inner city, there's no question that joe biden has that connection and touch, but also, with all due respect, having worked with ryan as a staffer in the new york state senate and also a congressman, paul ryan has that touch, but connects with the average farmer or person out there that lives in the suburbs, sort of two very different audiences there. the question becomes, and i agree with chris to a certain degree here, is whether or not paul ryan can follow up with a very good follow-up question and/or when vice president biden asks a follow-up question on the statistics, if paul can humanize those facts -- excuse me, congressman ryan can humanize those facts and statistics. that's where i think paul ryan needs to do a better job come this debate. >> robert traynham, chris kofinis, thank you very much. we'll see who's right on that one. >>> and just ahead, why todd akin is suddenl